Winchester’s newest rimfire blows both the .22 WMR and .17 HMR out of the race. i own both calibres-.17 HMR + .22 Hornet, the sound signature of the Hornet is a lot louder than an HMR . Stuff tends to explode. The choice totally depends on your preferences, for some 17 HMR will be the best choice over 22LR and for some, it would be the other way around. But we haven’t considered the 17 WSM yet..17 HMR break-action single shot. Die leichte Fünf-Grad-Schulter der .22 Hornet wurde radikal zu einer 25-Grad-Schulter versteift und ausgeblasen, um die Kapazität der Hülse zu erhöhen. More Guns. On top of that, 5 mm RMR barrels were basically nonexistent at the time. Hunting. Its design is very nice with fine wood and quality steel, making an attractive combination. 1 MOA = ~ 1" at 100 yards. The price of $1150 is the only drawback when it comes to this rifle. Thanks to its speed which makes it a better choice. This was to circumvent the fact that 5mm RRM cases used an extremely unique case head size and required a completely different bolt and magazine. In fact, the outer dimensions of the 77/17 17 Hornet does little to distinguish it from the $969 VMBBZ 77/17 17 HMR rifle tested in the September 2013 issue. Also, when looking at the trajectory chart we can agree that it makes more sense to compare 22 WMR to 17 HMR as they’re somewhat closer in stats. There are also some really great 22 LR rifles available out on the market, and a few are going to be mentioned here too. www.alexanderarms.com. I love mine. It looks much more like Colt Ar – 15, than like other small caliber rifles. Let us compare the CCI .22LR Stinger vs CCI .17HMR TNT to keep things fair. Recoil and muzzle blast are low, particularly from a rifle. As its name suggests, it uses the most common ammunition today – .22 caliber. Vmax at roughly 2950-3000 fps vs my CZ 527 .17 Hornet with Hornady 20 gr Vmax at roughly 3600 fps, the former is a confirmed 200 yards Ground Hog killer and I expect the later to stretch that out to 300 per the Ballistic charts. 222 Remington would be okay on baboons with carefully placed shots. That is a standard .22 projectile that has a very low price, and many love it because of that. As previously mentioned, the .22 Hornet is a superb 100 to 150 yard 'yote gun. The 17 HMR is a 22 wmr necked down to 17 cal. Apparently, 22 LR is a choice of many because it’s very affordable. Moreover, 17 HMR is way accurate than 22 LR. Welche hat mehr Energie, welche mehr Reichweite, auf welche Distanzen sind die Kaliber noch für einen… Are you confused? 3. 22LR drops a lot after 100 yards but 17 HMR shows the slowest drop and has a flatter trajectory as compared to the 22LR’s. It will cost you a fortune to get started with that though - custom gun, custom dies, no factory ammo available. We owe it to the varmints to make a clean humane kill. Im lucky to have lots of prarie dogs to shoot! The .22 mag power starts to wane after 100 yards, and .17 HMR may be a better choice beyond that. That was done with the intention to improve its ballistic capabilities. that round is super effective. Its typically used by boy scouts in the US as their main rifle for shooting at merit badge. Ballistics Calculator by Hornady. A moderate speed of 1,250 feet per second is not enough to tear down such a bullet. Getting hopeful for 2022 on a true PG hunt then maybe a buff. Vlog 3 | Firearm Updates | 17 Hornet Replacement | 10/22 Project | 204. If you’re looking for yet more speed, check out the 204 Ruger as it sends a 40 grain bullet out at 3900 fps. Winner: 17 HMR. There are several trendy brands of 17 HMR rifles such as Henry, Ruger, Alexander Arms, and Savage. Re: 17 HMR vs 17 Hornet [Re: Jim_Conrad] #14593071 02/21/20: Joined: Dec 2006. Regardless of better performances by the 17HMR, 22 LR still holds the first place when it comes to popularity. Try it once. Driving a 20-grain 0.172-inch bullet to 3000 fps, the .17 WSM sits at the top of the heap as far as rimfire cartridges are concerned, and comes in just 500 fps or so behind the .17 Hornet. I would HIGHLY endorse the .22 Hornet . A 223 Remington will send a 40 grain bullet screaming downrange at a blistering 3600 fps. Where 17 HMR steps out is when you’re cleaning up and pickings are slim. You would be much better served from a practical viewpoint by a 22 WMR. The 17 and 6.5 needed quite a few to settle in. Thanks for the excellent article. If you shot at some big animal or a full-grown man, there is a high probability that they will stay on their legs. I can tell you the 17 HMR is effected by the wind more than any other caliber other than a 22 cal pellet rifle. When 17 HMR first came out, I remember thinking about how it was too expensive, and that the performance boost wasn’t worth it for gophers. I have a .17 HMR and have used it successfully on rabbits, prairie dogs and have seen it used on a Bobcat. Cost is also a major differentiating factor. Latest. It is ideal for the African tiny 10 ... As well as , for varmints . Supporter. A box of 50 .22 LR cartridges costs about $4, while the same number of .17 HMR costs over four times as much (about $17). After that the bullet drops rather quickly. Loading cost of the .22 Hornet is cheap. 17HMR rifles, on the other hand, are powerful but are a pain to clean because of the narrow barrel they come with. 1. I have never fired a .22 mag, but i'm sure its much better. 17 HMR is usually too small for coyote hunting, but it can be used successfully for groundhogs. Agree with Phillip Glass that the 17WSM far exceeds the HMR! Its effective range is somewhere around 100 yards while muzzle velocity stands at 1600 feet per second, Muzzle energy is 191 foot-pounds, but the ricochets still happen sometimes and that is a problem again. We will be discussing about their ballistic performances, which is a better choice for plinking, small game, and varmint hunting. If you’re all about accuracy, then 17HMR is the best choice. Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations. Don’t even think of hunting bigger games with them. Is that correct? The 17, I'm sure, has it's attributes, I personally don't think coyote is one of it's strong points! They are good cartridges for use in semi-populated areas. Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad. The .17 HMR is still widely available but somewhat less common. Die große Frage lautet immer wieder, .22lr vs. .22 WinMag vs. .22 Hornet vs. .17 HMR. Posts: 1,480. Tally-Ho HUNTING SAFARIS wrote on Pondoro's profile. #1403323 - 10/30/09 06:15 AM Re: .17 HMR vs .22 Hornet [Re: Rob in Alaska] borkon Die Hard Member with a vengeance Registered: 04/05/09 Posts: 4056 Loc: minnesota .22 hornet for sure. Its bullet is even more popular, and it reaches billions of sales on a yearly basis. 0.22 lr and .17 HMR Rimfire Rabbits: 185 yard .22 lr Rabbits x2 ! That means you can use it for both small game and big game hunting journeys. Of the other Hornet rifles I've had, some were OK and some not so much. Then in 2002 Hornady decided to try a new twist on the.22 Magnum by necking down the case to.17 caliber in an attempt to meet the ballistics of the old 5mm rimfire. The 17-grain projectile reaches a much greater speed that goes over 2,250 feet per second, and it is usually destroyed after striking hard materials and objects. 22 LR rifle is equally popular among beginners who are still a part of the learning and training process, and among those with a high level of expertise on the matter. The .17 HMR loadings and/or rifles appear to be more consistently accurate. I would go with the hornet. Ammunition and rifles for both are widely distributed and commonly available. A rock chuck taken with a .17 HMR. Both the .17 HMR and .22 WMR are well-suited. … It will be a great choice for target and varmint hunting. Never any issues but as always proper bullet placement. But when it comes to bigger pests, there's one that performs better than the other. A 17 HMR will send a bullet that’s half that weight (20 grains) at 2350. It is a classic hunting rifle made of high-quality materials. it will be to big for marten though. It is almost a century and a half old. Survival. Get a weekly email with best free content. Small bullets cannot kill big animals easily. I guess for the price its pretty good. Quite obviously, POI. If you want a beautiful but efficient rifle, this might be the right choice for you. Better still is the .17 Hornet round. By Ron Spomer. Recoil and muzzle blast are low for both, particularly from a rifle. I have a mate who takes great care in headshooting rabbits consistently in the 150 yds range with his .17 HMR, & a good few @ 100 with .22LR, but when needs must, out at 300 + he slides a little & neck ties em with a .223. You have to be really keen to take on that sort of rifle! The only modern single shot I have regretted selling was an older TC Contender Hornet with the fairly thin 10" oct barrel. They seem to take the same 77-17/22 mags. : The Ultimate No Shit Guide, The Best Long Range Scope Under $1000: Reviews (2019 Recommendations), The Ultimate Guide on Cleaning Your Rifle Scope. You can unsubscribe anytime! The first three shot well out of the gate. And while both rounds fall well short of the capabilities of the hotter .223 Rem., .22-250 Rem. Both rifles have 24-inch barrels and stretch about 43.25 inches end to end. Also, I'm not 100% sure, by memory, of the land/groove config but the bore was extremely smooth and shot with minimal fouling- for all I know it may have had polygonal rifling. petesvintagegunsandammo.com 17HMR, on the other hand, would destroy the meat in such smaller distance. The manufacturer wanted to replace old 5mm Remington Magnum Rimfire that was developed in 1970. I can't think of a more inappropriate small bore rifle cartridge than the .204 for shooting the small game birds that the original poster is interested in hunting - what should he do with dove mist and francolin chunks? This is a substantially larger case. You can also subscribe without commenting. Thanks The rifle also looks basic and straightforward without unnecessary details on it. The benefit of the .17 Fireball and .17 Remington are over the counter ammo availability if you don't reload. The popularity of 22 LR has not fallen with the development of 17 HMR. Only then, you can be certain with this ammunition. In fact, its impact is much stronger than what a lot of people think, and the bullet can break through 10 drywall panels from a 10-yard distance. A 17 HMR or 22 will deal with rabbits perfectly well. In all categories except available rifles. Ads u must know steve crabtree (portsmouth gun center) hell be able to point u in the right direction,failing that mc is spot on,ask ure peers about other clubs that do long range.ure not that far from bisley either,full boire is a rush and ule get the bug as soon as u … With that, oftentimes, the subject matter turns to coyotes and there's a clear winner in my eyes between these two calibers. November 18, 2019. The .17 HMR, 5mm RFM, and .22 WMR are all useful varmint cartridges. Hi, thanks for commenting. Because of the .17 HMR higher velocity, it is LESS affected by wind (just run it through a simple ballistics program if you don't believe me). The 17 and 6.5 needed quite a few to settle in. Some of them will be mentioned here. JavaScript is disabled. The target should be far away from other objects and humans. 2. Even 17HM2 is louder than 22LR. The same case is with the 32-grain Stinger 22 LR projectile, which is a little faster. 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